Noah's Flood
The following discussion took place on alt.religion.mormon between two different people (not me):

You make a big pretense of knowing something, but you really won't say what it is any better than someone who says he merely believes something.

(snipped my old stuff that stated there is no evidence of a world wide flood)

I was not the one who started the thread. I merely mentioned that I believed the Genesis account, and someone from a designated atheist website decided I was too ripe not to try to proselytize to his religion. By the way, shouldn't it be anti-theist? If there is no God, then why tilt at windmills? People who don't believe in Genesis get on a religion newsgroup and get in a snit when they hear someone believes in it? Why don't you get on the "Hardware News Group" or something and complain that everyone is obsessed with tools? I say to one and all on A.R.M.--if religious subjects and religious beliefs make you nauseated, then go somewhere else.

I'll say one thing for Southern Baptists--knowing them as I do, I can definitely predict that none of them would hang around a gay bar for two or three months in a row, all the while protesting that they were actually "straight."

I think you're trying to tell me that I don't belong here?? And what reasoning would that be? Is it just because I like to study the physical world around us and put 2 and 2 together???

(Not to mention that I personally have wasted time and resources in the past supporting a "belief system" that was clearly dominated by man-made doctrines and practices. And it's human nature to help others avoid our pit falls.)

You can't bury you head in the sand and hope the "facts" of the real world around you will just go away.

Lets analyze shall we:

There is point at which the theories of science become fact, ie: no longer just a "belief". Although we do not currently have a precise set of equations that represent quantum gravity, I still know for a "fact" what will happen if I jump off a cliff.

You're trying to compare apples and oranges. Science and religion are fundamentally different. A belief (Noah's flood story as just part of this case study) that has no evidence, and that is part of a larger belief "system" can and does have a significant impact on society. We have reached a point in our society (and world community) where adherents of fundamentalist religions feel compelled to teach their children to mistrust science, because many of the discoveries of science have failed to vindicate their "belief system", and in many cases disproven them. The extreme application of this tactic results in isolation and divisions in society, which widens the gulf between the "haves" and "have nots" (those who use, understand, and benefit from technology verse those who distrust it and avoid it), which in turn can result in civil unrest.

I am not against the humanitarian efforts of fundamentalist religions, in fact, as time goes on that may be their only redeeming trait. Its those who isolate themselves from others, and show spiritual arrogance, and fail to look for other reasons why things happen other than simple minded attitudes like: "We're caught in this battle between God and Satan."

I am not ashamed to say that as a child, I was influenced by the philosophy of Gene Rodenbery, the mind behind Star Trek. Granted it's only a TV show, but when view philosophically, the world that Gene Rodenbery created was a world where man has struggled to overcome, through science and technology, the limitations and inequalities of traditional human society. Could it be possible for us to actually solve some of our own inherent problems, ie: cure diseases, repair genetic flaws, obtain cheap fusion energy, create better, cheaper food, invent better, cheaper transportation, computers etc... etc...etc..? Did you know that today there are genetic studies underway with prison populations to see if there is a genetic reason for criminality or "evil"?

To me the endeavors of man to theorize, experiment, analyze, quantify, discover, build, repair, and create a better world are far more worthy and noble a tasks than to whine and moan about the alleged writings of a God who's alleged message is that just because things don't go His way He's going to destroy the earth and only His "chosen" ones will be rewarded the spoils.

Noble and worthy pursuits on one hand, petty and simple minded, and even hindering on the other.

Bottom line, it's not just a little bit hypocritical that you benefit from, in addition to enjoying and using the fruits of the methods of science, and yet on the other hand reject many of the other discoveries made by such a methodology.


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